Online poker is rigged. For those of you who play online poker at levels less than $1/$2, this blog should be the method in which you play. I have played for many hours at many different levels and the one conclusion that I have made is that online poker is rigged at the lower levels…. ON EVERY SITE.
I am not really wanting this to spark a debate here, and for a bunch of people to come on here proving to me that it’s not rigged. But I will say this… To those of you who’s argument is “WHY would they want to rig it?” My response is this…… Poker is still a form of gambling. Unlike other forms of gambling, your actions and decisions can decide the outcome of any given hand…. But, it’s still gambling. At the root of gambling is greed. And where there’s greed, there is cheating. So my only response to the question “why would they have to rig it? ” is WHY WOULDN’T THEY? Have you ever heard of a business saying “We are making too much money, let’s slow it down”? . So, if online poker room operators could make exponentially more money by rigging the programming in the lower levels, what is stopping them? NOTHING! It seemingly cannot be proved. So, we as open-minded and hopefully reasonably intelligent people need to decide whether certain patterns are simply coincidence or the product of a few hundred lines of programming code.
If you enjoy playing poker and have no other outlet I have come up with a list of things you can do to “dodge” the traps that the rigged poker rooms have set for the lower limit players. (I do not see these same instances happen at higher levels and my philosophy is that they don’t cheat the higher level rooms because those players would call “bullshit” in a heartbeat and it would expose the engineered cheating.)
- Never take your entire bankroll into a room. Here’s an example: if you deposit $50 do not take that entire $50 into a room. If you do, it will be gone in a short period of time and you will have to rebuy. (if you deposit $50 , try taking $20 into a .25/.50 room, once you triple it get out and do it again in another room). Here are some of the ways they will get your stack if you take your entire bankroll into a room:
- you will get dealt a very high pocket pair like 10 10, JJ, or QQ, the flop will come rag, rag, rag and you will be up against KK or AA by the guy with more money than you. You will very likely go all in and end up broke. Thus, causing you to deposit again.
- you will be dealt a hand like KQ in good position, the flop will come 2,5, Q. You might bet into it and you will be facing a hand like KK or AA. You will go broke and you will deposit again.
- The one exception to this rule is if you are a new player to a site. The cool thing about this rigged online shit is that if you are a first time depositor to a particular site, you tend to win big at first. This, in my opinion, is like a drug dealer giving a freebie to a new customer. Once you get a taste of the goods, there’s no going back. It’s like Heroin. However, after a certain point, they flip the switch and you will lose it all. So, just like the following rules, you must withdraw 100% of your winnings immediately. Once you start noticing that you’re losing on great hands consecutively it is time to take the money and run. See the rules below.
- NEVER just withdraw some of your money. If you are going to withdraw you MUST withdraw 100% of it. If you have $300 in your online account and you take out $250, your remaining $50 will be gone within a few hands. This I promise.
- NEVER redeposit money within 2 weeks to 1 month of withdrawing from your online poker account. If you do, that money will be gone in a few hands. This I promise.
- NEVER reverse your withdrawal. Sometimes after you win a big tourney or get your online bankroll up pretty high, you decide it’s time to withdraw all of your money. Then, you get the itch and want to play again before that withdrawal has fully been processed. If you reverse the withdrawal process, you will lose ALL of that money in a very short amount of time. This I promise.
- When the luck runs out get out! Do not say to yourself “let me just get back up to $300 and I will leave”. Just leave immediately after you notice you are on a losing streak. I have experienced several sessions where I will deposit like $50 and turn that into $1000 – $1500 overnight. Usually when this happens, it just seems like the cards are falling my way. I don’t give myself enough credit to believe that I have just been outplaying EVERYONE for the last 4 hours. I just think it’s “my turn” in the rigged scheme of things. I don’t know how they determine who’s going to go on a run and who’s gonna get the shit kicked out of them but when it’s your turn you just know. You catch and catch and catch. If you find yourself in one of these sessions you must cash out once you start going on a downward spiral. If you’ve built $50 into $1500 in 5 hours and then all of the sudden you lose a good amount ($150-$200) not only must you stand up but you must also cash out completely. People will argue this point and say that you are only losing because you’ve become fatigued. Yes, that may have something to do with it but I also have had several sessions where I have NEVER recovered and started winning again. If I didn’t take 100% out once I started losing, I lost it all.
- Cycle through the remaining US friendly online poker sites. This is related in part to number 3. After a withdrawal from a site, you should have a few other sites lined up so that you can cycle through them. If you are playing on Full Tilt and win $500 take all of it out and don’t go back to Full Tilt for 3 or 4 weeks. In the meantime, deposit at Ultimate Bet. After you win and withdraw 100% of your money there go to PokerStars. … and so on and so forth. After about 3 or 4 weeks come back to Full Tilt and do it again. As a matter of fact, one pattern I have noticed is that after I am gone from a particular site for a month or more I usually win or place high in the money in multi-player tourneys. If you look through the archives of my blog you will see where I have won first place in tourneys after being gone for a long time or when first signing up on Paradise Poker, Ultimate Bet, Titan and PokerTime. However, if you win a big tourney or place high in the money you must withdraw 100% immediately (unless you are playing cash games at $2/$4 or higher where none of these “traps” take place).
I will add to the list if I come across anymore patterns. Good luck.
*****UPDATE******* If you still do not believe that online poker is rigged… I challenge you to go to ANY online poker site, go into a .50 / $1 ring game and find a player that has $1000… are we to believe that a player that goes on a good run just leaves the room while he has a MASSIVE chip advantage? That would be illogical right? So why can’t you find a player in a room that a monster chip advantage in a ring game?
Lost a big pot, was down to 240 and right away they dealt me AJ suited, so I knew any call and I was gone.
KQ called hit the K. Nice setup to get me out real quick.
Scam.
It goes on and on. If you are short stacked, and try to double up (especially on a final table with less than 4 players left) you will be crushed out of the tournament by someone calling your all in with nothing but a draw. Good example? I’m holding pkt 9′s and shove all in. One guy calls and turn over A-10. A coinflip, sure but he still need to get one of six cards in the deck to pair either of his hole cards. The flop misses him completely, but now he’s got a straight draw (J-K-4) All he needs is the queen to fill. Sure enough, turn card is a “Q” Game over.
99 10X small stack, I push. Everyone folds around to the last player, whom to be at this table, has to be a good player, with this many chips.
He calls with 10-9. Im out. 10 flops.
Its a complete joke online poker, if I had the resources online poker would not be operating anymore.
Im working on it. Fucking Disgusting.
This is Bodog. The kings of the scam.
It’s funny I watch poker on TV and keep WAITING to see some of the ridiculous things I see online, but never do. When the “hero” needs a K on the river, he almost never gets it. Instead he gets one of the “bottom” 32 cards (2-9 x 4) in the deck. But online it seems that “necessary” card it takes to swing a hand from one player to the other ALWAYS comes on the river. You could be (and I have) be looking at a one or two outer and somehow there comes the miracle card. What I’ve noticed is that players with “stars” or other such designations that show they are frequent players, get the better cards too. I know Jokerstars is famous for that. If you are heads up with a “star” player, you are DONE.
More lead changes online than Ive ever seen live. Today, I played Bodog, and you know if you claim rigged, people call you a shitty player, etc.
Yeah, well, today on my first table at Bodog, I just happened to flop trips 4 times with a pocket pair in the first half hour.
Now Im not Phil Ivey, but Im not stupid or naive enough to think I was just being lucky, I was the selected seat at that table. Of course, all the other players vs me in these hands flopped top pair every time.
The guy who called me, obviously has no clue but there he was with a shitload of chips and the nuts to call an all in with 10-9.
Its the same thing every day. THere is NEVER any variation or fold fold fold, never any extra long tourneys, I wonder why that is?
Then of course I got moved and couldnt win another hand to save my life, and then the 99 dump called by 10-9, and Im out.
I was playing last night on Full Tilt and I managed through good reads and bluffs to get to the final table of a 90 man tournament. After a couple of guys dropped off we were down to seven players. I was about middle of the pack chip stack wise. I was dealt pocket K’s in the BB and everyone folded but the “big stack” I just check, figuring I can trap him. The flop is a rainbow, all under 9 and not connected. I shove all in and he calls. He turns over A-9 of hearts, I show my K’s. There is only one heart on the flop, so he needs an ace, two nines, or consecutive hearts on the turn and river to beat me. At this point I’m about an 80% to win with my money in the pot. The turn card is another heart and I’m starting to get that sickening feeling, but hey I’m still about 72%. The river card is a KING….of HEARTS and he makes his flush. I’m out in seventh place. Silly me, I forgot one of the rules of online poker, never go all in against the big stack. Also, nothing to do with being “rigged” I don’t think, but in the same tournament I had back to back sets of hole cards that were exactly the same within 7 hands.
Hand 1 Qh-9h
Hand 2 Qh-9h
Hands 3-4-5 other
Hand 6 7d-10d
Hand 7 7d-10d
Odds on that?
I played Bodog earlier today. Pocket sixes for me, a raise in front of me I push. One guy had AK, other guy had K9. Flop was awesome for me, but then the running kings of course. The only two kings in the deck, and they both come turn and river.
Exasperated by being setup yet again at Bodog, I then get KJ and the dink on my right raised, so I pushed, he turns over 2-5 of hearts, and turns the flush. Im out. Kind of funny because I had two huge flush draws not fill before this hand, and my semi bluffs were no good cause of course everyone and their grandma hits the fucking flop online.
SCAM.
Yeah so IM playing Itech, flopping huge draws but never hitting. So, Im writing to Itech to tell them there are odds Im supposed to get when I play in your card room.
I then get dealt 3-7 and call a double all in, and of course I flop the seven and hit running threes to fill the boat, and the other guy had JJ.
Got the screenshot I mean its so lame its almost laughable what these idiots get away with. The whole time Im being dealt Im getting raised on my left she is flopping nut flushes ETC.
Just hit running diamonds after calling a huge raise with 5-10. Beat the same guy twice with my clever play.
What a joke.
Course I was dealt JJ and he pushed his 10-10 and hit four straight hearts to put me out.
So lets see, I flopped 4 huge flush draws, hit none, called a double all in with 3-7 and tripled up, then lost a race where I was an 80-20 favorite to win the hand.
Hmmmmm. Im beginning to think Harrington and Negreanu are full of shit with these books they write, dont work when I do it.
Well in Negreanu’s book he says online poker isnt rigged, but thats just because he makes money from it, so he is a lying sack of shit too. Cause there is NO pro alive that would claim online poker as random, if they didnt have a stake in it.
Classic from last night’s Full Tilt play. I wasn’t involved but it was funny to watch:
Preflop four guys go all in. The four hands? A-Qoff A-9suited pocket 10’s and 7-9 off (The last guy called with 7-9 off is just typical all in donk poker)
The flop? 9-7-7. The biggest donk, the worst starting hands flops gold. After a couple of rags on the turn and river. He sweeps the pot with a full house 7’s over 9’s. How did he know that it was the perfect time to shove all in? Surely he couldn’t possibly have thought his 7-9off was the best “pre flop” hand on the table, could he? It’s stuff like that drives me crazy.
I hear ya. I played an Itech room tonight was late arriving. I saw my folded hand, AA. Guy two seats on my left pushed K9 hearts and hit a flush.
He was only two seats over.
Then we had two active at the table and we kept getting aces and hitting straights and flushes. Then others joined the table and my hands completely stopped hitting. It is completely setup for quick tourneys and bad beats.
Its a joke.
Ah, the set up. Another classic of online poker. You are rolling along, winning a few pots and you THINK you are in the zone. Then it happens. You are dealt a high pocket pair (J – A) and you flop a third. You shove all in only to be called down by some donk who is chasing and inevitably hits a straight or flush. Now you are either out or severely crippled and on your way out. That’ll teach you for thinking you can “beat” rigged online poker sites.
Here is how my first table went. Built a nice 8 grand stack, they sat down a new player at the table with a bigger stack, and dealt me AK, into his pocket 4s, which he flopped trips with.
Then I flop second pair, but my heads up opponent not only flopped top pair, but turned two pairs.
Then I went all in and this same chair called my all in with Q-3 and flopped two pairs. Not a word of a lie either.
Itech. What a scam.
I was in the fourth round of a head to head tournament of 90 people (about three rounds from the finals) when I was dealt pocket K’s. Wow, head to head that is an awesome hand. Better yet, HE shoves all in and I happily call. Well, he turns over A-J. The flop? A-A-J Flops a full house head to head. To make matters worse, the river card is a K. He wins A’s full of Jacks to King’s full of aces!!! But online poker isn’t rigged or controlled in ANY way, RIIIIIIIGHT.
I played three hours today, they moved me to a new table. I folded all my donkey aces, if I hadnt, I would have had a humongous chip lead.
I then played AQ, flopped the Q, right into trip jacks.
Unfuckingbelievable these cocksuckers Bodog.
Bodog. All in fag on my right every hand. So I asked in the chat, “I wonder what will happen if you call him” with my sarcastic drawl.
SO, next hand I get A5 clubs Im calling him. He dumps, of course he does, he holds 33 this time and flops a third three.
I was like, so fucking surprised. I ran over and congratulated him on his spectacular poker play. Im sure now he will win the tourney.
Oh yeah, you know why the K hit the river right Jeff? lol.
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Try being the poker widow of someone who for too many years has been from site to site thinking one day he is going to hit it big and win against these rigged sites, the name calling when I tell him they are rigged and that these huge companies pay people to play them and rig the cards to have ridiculous hands. Waiting up all night only for him to come to bed and say he won no more than twenty dollars… Would you work all night for twenty dollars, is this really any fun ? And then after say a few months of losing he will draw out all the bankroll to live on and say that’s it I’m not playing anymore and yet a month or so on I can guarantee he is back on a new site or the same old site still claiming the cards are not rigged yet 90% of the time all I hear is the sound of him either smashing the laptop on the floor or his phone, calling everyone a DONK saying he can’t believe what came out on the RIVER as he was 80 or 90 pe cent to win etc etc, surely this reakes of the rigging which I have alway suspected as a poker or gaming site has one mission in mind, to make money so why bother with the most elaborate complicated programming to generate the most random cards when you can just write a few lines of code that bring out the same hands in a highly unlikely fashion. It just makes me sad that my partner who graduated with a fairly intelligent degree has this level of trust in the internet and no notion of anyone possibly trying to make any money from him by rigging. I wholly belive it is all rigged and that there are players paid to play, rigged cards, specific hands written into win which at a real table would happen so rarely yet happens all the time online. I have had enough of it to be honest I’d rather he was into football or whores.
WOW! Sorry you have had to go through that Holly. I really believe you are 100% right.
I really believe it too and my only hope is that one day he and others will believe us all !
There is a UK chap trying to build something called Integrity Poker but I think that once it got big it would also be open up to any kind of xheating/rigging/superusers/abuse technical or otherwise.
All the sites are the same. SCAMS. I’ve been at cash games where I take the most time per hand every hand, for a half hour. None of the other 8 players complain. I’ve had all eight other players leave at the same time. I’ve seen how pro’s and certain players somehow make the final tables numerous times in the pokerstars sunday million, wsoop and other events that have 7k+players. Try doing that yourself in $5 tournaments with that many. I’ve experienced the withdrawal curse over and over. The incredibly improbable cards and suckouts on the river.
I’ve been playing live for 8 years and online for 5. I made money playing online on merge poker, but it’s caught up to the rest now in rigging the cards. Why not? A ton more money, and virtually no risk. Aggravation, lost $, lost time with family/friends, carpal tunnel, loss of sleep, etc. It’s not worth it. You can block yourself from most sites, and put limits on your credit cards. Keep track of the money, time and cards and you will quit, unless your addicted. Then block yourselves from playing and get help.
I notice this blog is very old but after playing many hours and playing thousands of hands I have noticed patterns exactly as mentioned and have been brainstorming on ways to beat the system. I think I’m going to try the shuffling through sites and sitting off them for month before returning. With fulltilt I have noticed many times when I stop playing and return to the site after a while I will go on a huge run profiting couple thousands dollars very shortly but as mentioned the bankroll will get drained and there is nothing you can do about it. You WILL lose it all no matter what you do.
Last night in thirty minutes of play I had, 1)aq,-flop a42 then other player hit set of 9′s on turn. 2)k10 flop 10,7,3, other two players had a8 and 8,3 and caught runner runner 8′s on turn and river.
3) 10,10 flop 7,2,9 other player has a7 and catches an ace on river.
4) 10,10 again 4 other players. Flop- 966 Other player has aa. 5) aa other player calls a big raise preflop, 3310 on flop, other player has j3, and j hits on river as well!
This was on a cash game after I had won the previous time. Typical. You are either in software “win mode” or software “lose mode” on these sites. You might as well be stealing from others if you win, b/c the software has a play in it.
Last night in thirty minutes of play I had, 1)aq,-flop a42 then other player hit set of 9′s on turn. 2)k10 flop 10,7,3, other two players had a8 and 8,3 and caught runner runner 8′s on turn and river.
3) 10,10 flop 7,2,9 other player has a7 and catches an ace on river.
4) 10,10 again 4 other players. Flop- 966 Other player has aa. 5) aa other player calls a big raise preflop, 3310 on flop, other player has j3, and j hits on river as well!
This was on a cash game after I had won the previous time. Typical. I need to stop playing.
Sick of getting my money in “good” and getting sucked out time and time again.
Three straight hands.
First hand
Holding K-10 Flop K-4-7 rainbow. Shove all in one caller (final table) he turns over 4-5. Turn 6, river 3 he makes seven high straight and cripples my chip stack
Next hand
Holding A-Q suited. Flop 5-Q-2. I shove all in, he calls with 3-6 Turn Q gives me two pair. River 4 makes his six high straight. Now suddenly I’m short stack on the table. (nice catch on the broadway straight draw)
Next hand
Dealt Ks-Js. Shove all in preflop. One caller. Flop 4s-6s-9s I FLOPPED a K hi flush! Winner right?
Nope, he turns over As-9d. All I have to do is avoid another spade. Turn 8h , river 7s He’s got an ace high flush (four suited on the table) and I’m out in three hands from big stack on the final table!
It never ends.
I played Bodog tonight for first time in a few days. First hand, Q4 suited, I flop two pairs A Q 4 two spades is flop. I pot size it, and to my utter amazement and shock, EVERYONE called, three others in hand. So, as is the online rig, DANGER CARD, yes, they turn the ace of spades. HAHA. One guy had A5, one guy had AK, other guy had two spades, and I flopped two pairs.
Then the 3-7 I flop a three, turn a third three, and get rivered by AQ whom hit a Q boat on the river, this of course was my rebuy rape by the bigger stack. They rape him on turn, but he calls anyways, and re rape me on river.
Yeah, it’s quite the scam. Someone should do something.
Some simple rules for online poker, I’ve found it to be about 90% accurate. If an ace is on the table someone is holding an ace in the hole. The only way a pair of Kings or Queens wins is if there are no Aces on the table after the river card is laid down. One Ace showing almost ALWAYS equals a pair of Aces somewhere. Ditto if the flop is all one suit. Someone is holding two of the same suit in the hole. If you follow these two simple rules of online poker, you will lose a lot less often.
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The only solution to these rigged sites is a new software program that “sets” the deck before the hand is dealt and only picks cards from the top of the deck. In other words, if you’ve got 5 players, then the program selects randomly 15 cards and locks out the remaining cards. Then the cards are dealt. That is how it works in a casino. Bad beats would probably be reduced drastically. The way it is now with the “random number generator” every card that turns could be any one in the deck. It’s like a card is dealt, the deck is reshuffled, another card is dealt, reshuffle, deal, reshuffle until all the cards are on the table. Does that make sense? Software geeks out there? Get on it.
Here I am at Bodog, calling raises with A6 and smashing people to the tune of 60k. Then, I get dealt AA as below, mention how “this should be funny”, KK calls, first card is a K. So now because I PREDICTED MY LOSS WITH AA BEFORE ANY BETTING WAS MADE, Im on tilt. So, two hands later, Bodog deals me AK, so I dump it, and THE SAME CHAIR THAT BEAT THE AA WITH THE KK JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE QQ THIS TIME, AND GUESS WHAT? IT HOLDS, AND IM OUT.
SOMEONE PLEASE STOP THESE CROOKED SMALL TIME IDIOTS THAT HIDE IN THE OCEAN SO THEY CAN FREELY RIP OFF EVERY PLAYER THAT STEPS INTO THEIR ROOMS WITH THEIR RIGGED GARBAGE.
I edited the names of the players, so that the employees they send around the internet to call people that say its rigged idiots cant identify me.
r: this should be funny <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Starting hand #206659
NEW HAND
r: yep like I didnt know right <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
r: ***k u bodog
gats: haha
r folds
4,882.50 is not called, return back to r677
er677 shows Three of a Kind, Deuces
onna_lie shows High Card, Ace
olo shows High Card, King
nna_lie shows Two Pair, Aces and Threes
er677 shows Three of a Kind, Deuces
o shows High Card, Ace
Hand 203659:
77 wins side pot (10,794)
Hand 2063659:
7 wins main pot (5,146.50)
1 minute left to the next level
Starting hand #2064339
NEW HAND
r: ***king card rigging mother***kers
r folds
400 is not called, return back to bd
8d mucks
Hand 206339:
8d wins (1,150)
less than 1 minutes to next level
Starting hand #20810
I support the “rigged for action hands” theory as you know.
Twice in three hands last night I lost to the SAME PERSON when I hit my straight on the river, but the river card also gave them a full house. (both times, they held a small pocket pair, trips on the flop, and the board paired on the river to give him his boat)
Now, I wonder. If you sit down at a table in Vegas or Atlantic City, how many thousands of hands would you have to play to get two full houses in three hands?
Those kind of ridiculous runs that “big stacks” get are what make the best case for the “rigged for action hands” supporters.
I went back and looked a few hands and this seat from above also got lucky the hand I played him before. A9 for me, flop comes AAJ , of course, to try to avoid any insane miracles I bet it pot size, got pushed by the seat from above. He had A3. Turn was a 5, river was a 5 he gets a split. Then of course he wipes me out four hands later.
This happens quite a bit, this was the second straight hand I had an ace hit trips, while holding one ace, but play AK, I NEVER see an ace hit. Anyways 60k, AA, AK your out. You know I just really really dont see that very often anywhere but online. Built the 60k stack with garbage hands, and a few well timed calls against a pocket pair bigger than my top pair, only to see myself turn trips on the river twice while doing this. But of course as I showed above, as soon as I was dealt the AA I knew it was my time to go. Seems like it all just happens backwards all the time online.
The one thing I can’t figure out is that quite often one player (usually a big stack on the table) will hit hand after hand and the rest of the players can’t beat him. I’m not talking about top pair or even two pairs. I’ve seen stretches where the top dog hits a straight, flush, full house, or at a minimum three of a kind four or five times in a row, always on the river. Meanwhile me and the other players on the table can’t catch anything. (not even something as low as two pair) It’s just not “normal” for the same player to hit hand after hand filling broadway straights and full houses on the river. But online it happens, a lot too.
Played tonight. Third three on turn for me, third diamond on river, I immediately type danger card and laugh, and the seat two over on my left has the flush.
I mention in chat how often the flop falls into the big stacks hand, then the very next hand big stack raised J9, and flopped trip nines, the other guy had AK and hit the ace on the turn.
Terrible.
Couldn’t agree with you more Tony. I have another theory on why on-line poker is manipulated. I think the operators “spread the wins” around so that good players don’t dominate the sites, especially at the lower levels. Otherwise, many weak players would become frustrated and business would decline. It’s fraudulent, but it’s good marketing. And in a gambling business that’s virtually unregulated and where players don’t see live cards, I expect there to be fraud. Online poker is ready-made for unscrupulous operators.
I’ve had some lengthy e-mail exchanges with a representative for PokerStars over this issue. He was highly indignant. How dare I question the integrity of Pokerstars and its fine workers and backers? He spewed out the usual bullcrap about PStars’ sophisticated software and how I’m just being fooled by the normal “variance” that naturally occurs in the deal. Pokerstars, he said, would not cheat people because it would not be in its best interest. BS. The fact that he would try to defend the shenanigans they call poker is insulting. A fifth grader could see that Pokerstars does not have a random deal.
The most digusting thing to me is how the bigtime players promote the on-line fraud. I understand some of them have ownership stakes in these sites. Shame on them!
Sorry, should be “Tom,” not Tony.
The kinds of things that raised my greatest doubts about Pokerstars weren’t the suckouts and bad beats. It was some of the other unlikely deals, such as getting the same exact hand on two different tables at the same time. What are the odds of getting pocket Ks at the exact same time on different tables?
What are the odds? That’s my favorite question: (all of these happened to me or I witnessed them happening)
What are the odds a player could see 116 hands and not get a single pocket pair!
What are the odds a player could see 56 hands and flop top pair twice!
What are the odds a player could be dealt 2-3 four times in 9 hands?
What are the odds a player could lose with pocket aces 7 times in a single tournament and STILL make the final table?
What are the odds that on a table with only three players left could the same player lose consectutive hands to each of the two remaining players both times the winning hand was pocket kings?
What are the odds of flopping a King high flush only to lose to someone holding the ace when a fourth suited card hit on the river?
What are the odds of being dealt the exact same hole cards twice in three hands? (same rank, same suit, same order 6s first, then 8c)
What are the odds (try this live) that the same player hits straight, straight, flush, straight, and full house in five straight hands?
What are the odds in a three way pot the 5d on the river gave one player sixes full or fives, player two fives full of sixes and the third player a straight flush? (yes, same hand, three players: full house, full house, straight flush)
I could go on and on. These anomalies CANNOT be explained by simple variance.
I remember playing at CD Poker. Chatting about the legitimacy of the cards. Of course, I was ridiculous or full of crap, according to the table. Then I said the cards are so rigged for the donkey hands, its almost laughable.
The guy says “nonsense”, and at that very second I get dealt AA. So, I said yeah, nonsense right, ok, watch this.
I sit with my AA and guy on my right raises, I said “are you watching” as I dumped him all in, insta call from him.
A-10, flop is 10-10-7.
I say see, told you so, and left the table broke again, after FULLY PREDICTING my loss BEFORE any betting was made, YET AGAIN, at a RANDOM online poker room.
Pokerstars threatened to send some of the extremely ripe emails I sent them to “somebody”. I said please do, then maybe something will get done about your insane never ending VARIANCE. Havent heard from them again.
I blasted Full Tilt for YEARS, never getting kicked out, never being told I would be kicked out, then I won one of their Poker After Dark tournies, and before I could see when I played next, I was kicked out.
The big stacks are HUGELY favored, the donkeys win with A-10 or worse all day long, then you get dealt AK and you get this complete shit feeling in your stomach, knowing EXACTLY what is going to happen.
I even got KK with a sitout on my left, his first hand, and he just happened to have AQ on the left of my KK, and the first card flopped was an ace.
That’s right, I lost to a god damned sitout with KK , sitout NOT EVEN PLAYING.
I also saw a sitout flop quads at Party Poker, which Im pretty sure could NEVER EVER be recreated in that way in ANY live game from now until the end of time. Coincidentally, he was on my left as well.
Definitely, I assume my account has been tampered with. The winning I did REGULARLY a few years back has stopped, completely.
I joined Betmost Poker won 800 bucks in the first three MTTS I entered, cashed out 700 and went on a two year losing streak. And the final straw was sitting with AA, first position, I go all in, last seat that could call uses his entire time bank, calls, turns over 55.
Flop is A59, but I saw the 5 first, so I was pissed, then I saw the Ace, and before I could realize I had trip aces, they put down the fourth 5 on the river. That was it, I was done with online poker.
Then of course, you get the Poker Stars feel good bullshit with that amateur winning a million against Negreanu, like right, Negreanu couldnt beat this guy right? Heads up, yeah, ok Pokerstars. Looks like your superstar player was able to avoid all the beats and rigs you throw at us, and THEN ON TOP OF THAT, he beats Negreanu too, cmon. Now they have the commercial with all the balloons and shit falling down. What a scam.
I’ve seen some posts here by the same people(example=Sucker) Sounds like me. I know online poker is a scam, yet I keep playing. Best thing to do is put limits on your credit cards, and cancel the accounts you can by e-mailing or calling. Most sites have a responsible gaming section as well, where you can block yourself from depositing over a certain amount and block yourself from playing altogether. Aggravation, loss of money and time, carpal tunel, lack of productivity, etc etc. only to play in a rigged game. It’s like a slot machine, lets you win just enough to keep you wanting more.
I recommend saving the money for a live game where your not playing against software and colluders.
I dont play for money unless I win it in a free roll. As the post above says, the AA losing to quads was the end for me. I got out ahead. Now I just want someone to put a random game in front of me. I managed to get 40 out of Bodog with no deposit, and when I get a chance, I play their 500 free roll.
Off topic, Tom how do you get away with calling this site the “happiest place on Earth” without the Disney lawyers all over your arse? LOL
Bodog, AQ, raise 4x pre, know Ill have to fold post flop because 4 callers. LOL. I hit nothing of course. Next hand, A-10, Ok, Ill raise a little harder pre flop this time, so the idiot donkeys dont get LUCKY. 6-8-10 flop, I bet, I wait for the raise, I dump, he holds 9-7, so he has flopped the straight. Sure, whatever BODOG. Just another idiot donkey getting lucky right, no, Ill go you one better, even if he DID NOT FLOP THE STRAIGHT, he miraculously hit running sevens for a full house, after the money went in.
Jesus all mighty I wish I had some political power these poker rooms would be shut down, and everyone involved would be jailed for a long long time.
I don’t think I’m on Disney’s radar
You know, maybe Disney didn’t patent the phrase? In which case you could do so (since you’ve been using it for so long) and sue them!!!
Betmost. Call all unraised pots, hit nothing in 15 hands. My first playable hand was AA, as it always is when I sit at a table, and to my utmost surprise, as every pot has been raised so far, everybody folds, before it even gives me a chance to raise. Im dealt A-10 with small stack. I’m raised, I go over the top, he calls with QK and first card is a Q.
Then, he calls me a whiner for enlightening the table on what a Scam Betmost Poker is. But, hey buddy, you just got owned and sucked out, just like I been saying the whole tourney. In fact, there are only three players active, and I cant get A-10 through without being raised and called by an obvious house player…right?
These ignorant morons really perturb me.
I’m with you 100%, online poker is not right.
How do we fix it?
You inspired me to write on the subject – - AGAIN – -
Seems pointless, what the hell, companies worth Billions.
http://Xfilespoker.com – If you care to post and maybe read yourself.
If you think about it “rigging” the game for things like suckouts and more action hands to encourage betting makes perfect sense from a profit standpoint. If you had a site where “regular” weekend players never won because the “bots” or “pros” who obviously are better strategic players are on line eventually those weekenders would just stop playing. To keep traffic high, you have to “alter” the outcomes so the donks win once in a while. More traffic equal more money. Simple logic. While action hands (like the one I mentioned where the river card gave three players “quality” hands) and encouraged multiple all ins and more “rake” (the other way that these sites make money)
A 100% random game would be boring for the once a week player that they rely on. By fixing the software to make it more “exciting” they keep the casual player interested, whether it be more ridiculous odd defying suckouts or more hands that promote “action” that all equals more excitement, and keeps the suckers coming back night after night.
In fact, these sites would be CRAZY not to rig the outcome once in a while to keep it interesting.