Online poker is rigged. For those of you who play online poker at levels less than $1/$2, this blog should be the method in which you play. I have played for many hours at many different levels and the one conclusion that I have made is that online poker is rigged at the lower levels…. ON EVERY SITE.
I am not really wanting this to spark a debate here, and for a bunch of people to come on here proving to me that it’s not rigged. But I will say this… To those of you who’s argument is “WHY would they want to rig it?” My response is this…… Poker is still a form of gambling. Unlike other forms of gambling, your actions and decisions can decide the outcome of any given hand…. But, it’s still gambling. At the root of gambling is greed. And where there’s greed, there is cheating. So my only response to the question “why would they have to rig it? ” is WHY WOULDN’T THEY? Have you ever heard of a business saying “We are making too much money, let’s slow it down”? . So, if online poker room operators could make exponentially more money by rigging the programming in the lower levels, what is stopping them? NOTHING! It seemingly cannot be proved. So, we as open-minded and hopefully reasonably intelligent people need to decide whether certain patterns are simply coincidence or the product of a few hundred lines of programming code.
If you enjoy playing poker and have no other outlet I have come up with a list of things you can do to “dodge” the traps that the rigged poker rooms have set for the lower limit players. (I do not see these same instances happen at higher levels and my philosophy is that they don’t cheat the higher level rooms because those players would call “bullshit” in a heartbeat and it would expose the engineered cheating.)
- Never take your entire bankroll into a room. Here’s an example: if you deposit $50 do not take that entire $50 into a room. If you do, it will be gone in a short period of time and you will have to rebuy. (if you deposit $50 , try taking $20 into a .25/.50 room, once you triple it get out and do it again in another room). Here are some of the ways they will get your stack if you take your entire bankroll into a room:
- you will get dealt a very high pocket pair like 10 10, JJ, or QQ, the flop will come rag, rag, rag and you will be up against KK or AA by the guy with more money than you. You will very likely go all in and end up broke. Thus, causing you to deposit again.
- you will be dealt a hand like KQ in good position, the flop will come 2,5, Q. You might bet into it and you will be facing a hand like KK or AA. You will go broke and you will deposit again.
- The one exception to this rule is if you are a new player to a site. The cool thing about this rigged online shit is that if you are a first time depositor to a particular site, you tend to win big at first. This, in my opinion, is like a drug dealer giving a freebie to a new customer. Once you get a taste of the goods, there’s no going back. It’s like Heroin. However, after a certain point, they flip the switch and you will lose it all. So, just like the following rules, you must withdraw 100% of your winnings immediately. Once you start noticing that you’re losing on great hands consecutively it is time to take the money and run. See the rules below.
- NEVER just withdraw some of your money. If you are going to withdraw you MUST withdraw 100% of it. If you have $300 in your online account and you take out $250, your remaining $50 will be gone within a few hands. This I promise.
- NEVER redeposit money within 2 weeks to 1 month of withdrawing from your online poker account. If you do, that money will be gone in a few hands. This I promise.
- NEVER reverse your withdrawal. Sometimes after you win a big tourney or get your online bankroll up pretty high, you decide it’s time to withdraw all of your money. Then, you get the itch and want to play again before that withdrawal has fully been processed. If you reverse the withdrawal process, you will lose ALL of that money in a very short amount of time. This I promise.
- When the luck runs out get out! Do not say to yourself “let me just get back up to $300 and I will leave”. Just leave immediately after you notice you are on a losing streak. I have experienced several sessions where I will deposit like $50 and turn that into $1000 – $1500 overnight. Usually when this happens, it just seems like the cards are falling my way. I don’t give myself enough credit to believe that I have just been outplaying EVERYONE for the last 4 hours. I just think it’s “my turn” in the rigged scheme of things. I don’t know how they determine who’s going to go on a run and who’s gonna get the shit kicked out of them but when it’s your turn you just know. You catch and catch and catch. If you find yourself in one of these sessions you must cash out once you start going on a downward spiral. If you’ve built $50 into $1500 in 5 hours and then all of the sudden you lose a good amount ($150-$200) not only must you stand up but you must also cash out completely. People will argue this point and say that you are only losing because you’ve become fatigued. Yes, that may have something to do with it but I also have had several sessions where I have NEVER recovered and started winning again. If I didn’t take 100% out once I started losing, I lost it all.
- Cycle through the remaining US friendly online poker sites. This is related in part to number 3. After a withdrawal from a site, you should have a few other sites lined up so that you can cycle through them. If you are playing on Full Tilt and win $500 take all of it out and don’t go back to Full Tilt for 3 or 4 weeks. In the meantime, deposit at Ultimate Bet. After you win and withdraw 100% of your money there go to PokerStars. … and so on and so forth. After about 3 or 4 weeks come back to Full Tilt and do it again. As a matter of fact, one pattern I have noticed is that after I am gone from a particular site for a month or more I usually win or place high in the money in multi-player tourneys. If you look through the archives of my blog you will see where I have won first place in tourneys after being gone for a long time or when first signing up on Paradise Poker, Ultimate Bet, Titan and PokerTime. However, if you win a big tourney or place high in the money you must withdraw 100% immediately (unless you are playing cash games at $2/$4 or higher where none of these “traps” take place).
I will add to the list if I come across anymore patterns. Good luck.
*****UPDATE******* If you still do not believe that online poker is rigged… I challenge you to go to ANY online poker site, go into a .50 / $1 ring game and find a player that has $1000… are we to believe that a player that goes on a good run just leaves the room while he has a MASSIVE chip advantage? That would be illogical right? So why can’t you find a player in a room that a monster chip advantage in a ring game?
There is a new site in Beta right now called High Pulse Poker. They are having free rolls all day and when they get their license, it will be made into real money whatever you have won.
I played last night. First table, guy on my left is just pushing all his hands. So I wait and 4 hands in I get 88, so I call his dump. Unfortunately, this particular time he pushed, he held KK. Unlucky or what?
Then I played another one, raised K9 suited, got a caller, flop was A-A-10, an ace ALWAYS hits online when I raise a K in position, anyways he had called me with A9 and flopped trips.
Then the kicker, as I am calling the new poker room a complete scam donkey shithole just like all the other rooms, I now have a stack I have to push, so I get A7 and I push, I get a caller with 8-10. Now keep in mind all this nonsense bullshit happened in under 20 hands.
This guy flops quads. 10,000 to 1. Now either I am the unluckiest poker player alive, or the card rooms cheat. I have the screenshot of myself calling the poker room a fraud as this guy calls with 8-10 and flops quads.
I believe that if I got a pro player to analyze what happened in under 20 hands, High Pulse would be shut down almost instantly.
Missed one I dumped A4 with small stack in one of these tourneys and two seats over on my left, AA.
It was very clear. I took a beat, IMMEDIATELY they dealt me the Ace that I had to dump, and AA and quad flops, both times from the seat over two on my left.
I have 30 bucks Ive won, but I dunno if they will let me stay long enough to play with it. I don’t really care either, because they will just steal it back.
I have never seen an entity get so much bad publicity and survive like online poker does.
Then you get Negreanu, who writes a book and gives you advice, and he plays completely differently like a total donkey bitch on TV. The pros are in on it.
I wrote about this on another forum. I firmly believe the more you complain the more garbage the site shovels at you. Currently I am on three odds defying streaks.
1) 28 times I’ve been dealt pocket 10’s, J’s, Q’s or K’s and EVERY TIME an Ace hits on either the flop or turn.
2) The last 38 times I’ve been dealt suited cards and only ONCE have I made my flush. 23 of those times NOT ONE card hit the table on the flop, turn or river of the same suit I was holding.
3) 23 times I have been dealt an Ace in the hole cards. 23 times I did not pair.
All of these streaks are ongoing on regular weekend play on Full Tilt. I will update you on if/when they continue or end.
They have another way of beating you too. Hole cards. Last night in the only tournament I entered I started out:
J-4, K-4, 2-9, 3-J, 2-2, Q-4, K-7, 8-8, 10-2 (twice in a row) 3-4, 9-4, J-3, K-6, 10-8, J-6, K-3
After folding down 17 unplayble hands finally pocket Q’s. What happened? I was short stacked so after a Q-9-8 rainbow flop I shove all in with my 3 of kind. The player to my right call and turns over J-4. Needless to say after a 5 on the turn he catches a 10 on the river makes his Broadway straight and I’m out.
One game, one bullshit end to my night.
First an update all previous streaks still on going.
Just got bounced out of a tourney in typical FT fashion
I hit my flush on the turn, two calls to my all in. A river 6 gives one guy a full house, the other guy also hit his flush, but with a 10 high to my 8 high….
Three players two flushes and the winner hits the river full house.
Ridiculous
It’s a total scam. Rob from Betmost Poker has emailed me to ask me if I want to be a VIP. So I mailed him back and said I was “very skeptical about the randomness of Betmost’s cards”. He said nothing about it, and said just let me know when you deposit and Ill set you up.
So I go tonight for the weekly free roll they have to try Betmost Poker. I fold my first hand, 8-6, flopped top pair that would have been good. I call the next 3 or 4 hands and hit nothing, while watching as even though there are seven sitouts, the active players keep getting these monster hands.
I get dealt 10-4 and I call, I flop two pairs. I bet pot size, thinking shit, Im betting too much he is gonna fold. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA right. So, turn comes a ten, Ive got the boat, I bet half the pot, he calls. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, river comes a Q. I bet, and there it is, the inevitable dump from my heads up opponent I see every time I play a hand online. I call of course, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, and he turns over pocket queens.
Itech poker network, a complete and total scam.
Same thing every week, so I told Rob where to go, I wont be depositing, and FUCK BETMOST POKER.
I think he will get the message.
Well, two of my streaks ended last night in one game. I caught my flush when I had suited hole cards (low flush, another player on the table had a higher one so I lost anyway) and I paired my ace (and lost to another guy on the table that had a higher kicker than my 10, he had a queen)
But this is what really set me off. I’m at the final nine table, about middle of the pack chipswise. There is this donk (of course he’s big stack) shoving all in preflop and taking either the blind or lucking in to winning when he’s called by a smaller stack and building his chip stack. So after about the 7th straight all in by this clown (every time he had garbage like 4-9 suited or K-3 off) and had won 4 or 5 straight hands I get A-K. Well “autoshove” goes all in and everyone folds to me. I figure I’m at WORST a coin toss so I call. He’s donking again, turns over 2-8 off suit. All I have to do is avoid six cards through the flop, turn and river. I like my chances for a double up. Well, the flop is 2-2-4 and my night is over.
WHY does FT or any online site reward idiots like that with great cards over and over again?
Quite simple dude, big stacks taking out little stacks with regularity makes for more profit for the poker room.
There is a reason that every single 6000 man free roll Microgaming used to have went the same amount of time every day. Never two hours longer or even one hour. 5-6 hours every day.
Every hand, there is a best hand, a second best hand, etc. What I mean is, if there is a flush, and it’s the best hand, the second best hand will hit enough to call, perhaps two pairs or trips.
I see big stacks call down with 8-3 after flopping an eight, it’s good for the win, yet next hand another player will hit a boat, and it won’t be good.
Just like me last night, I fold 8-6 flop an eight that would have been good, then I turn a boat, and get smashed by a bigger boat on the two outer river.
Online poker is definitely juiced. I see pros play KK on a real table, check down in order to get some chips from the other player. Online, KK, go ahead and try to check it down without a raise pre flop. Good luck to you.
Scam. Huge. I’m sure countries like the States don’t like seeing their population lose millions a day to these pricks, but they do.
Betmost, Rob, dude, my reply to you was to question the validity of your card room, you DID NOT defend it in anyway, yet seven hands into the first table I sit at in a week, I get two outed by a bigger boat on the river.
Do you know how long I would have to wait at a live table to hit a boat? Do you Rob?
It’s a scam, it needs to be stopped, but I don’t believe there is a way to stop them, or it would have been done by now.
The reason why Negreanu and other so-called pros write their Disneyland books is that they don’t make money from playing the game honestly, and so they can suck in other suckers into their rigged bullshit in which they have a financial stake.
None of what is written in poker books works for online poker.
Online poker is a complete load of crap. The ways the algorhythms and host providers now work, and the absence of US players means that the games are generallly unwinnable except with all the software cheating stuff that some scumbags obviously use.
Played a tournament last night. Battled my way to the final table only to see the SAME player (big stack) take out 5 other players at the table by hitting 5 “premium” hands in the first 15 played, all on the river card. In 15 hands he got two straights, two flushes, and a full house. Now the individual odds of those hands hitting are big enough, IMAGINE what the odds are of hitting all five in fifteen hands. (or a “premium hand” rate of 20%. That’s the way FT clears out a table and cuts tournaments short. Well I kept battling until it was just he and I. Eventually I lost, when again he caught a flush (with suited clubs in the hole) with runner runner clubs on the turn and river. Yeah, sit down at a table in Vegas sometime and see how long it takes you to hit ONE premium hand like that, let alone 5 times. I guarantee you it doesn’t happen in 15 hands. Ridiculous gameplay with online poker is typical.
Betmost. Third week. The normal BS is going on, I pick out the “pre determined winning seat”. you know, the seat that can dump his J-10, magically hit a boat, and then dump 66, that holds of course, and then I raise my A-J, to 80, chip leader, whom in the first 5 hands has hit a boat, and had 66 hold, of course magically has a hand again, dumps over top of me with A-10, and flops a ten, Im out.
I have the screenshot of myself calling Betmost Poker a scam, and I also have a screenshot of him thanking me after I raised, only to push his dominated hand and suckout.
Pre determined winning seats win with hands I cant even get to play. 66 and J-10. And A-10 and he is tripled up.
AK AA and AK again, and I am out. CHEATING ONLINE POKER NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE SOON. VERY SOON.
All the above in ten hands. This guy has tripled up in ten hands, I finally get AJ to play, and then he sucksout.
DEFY THE ODDS, PLAY ONLINE POKER.
What a scam.
I ran in to a pokerbot the other night I think. I was on Full Tilt at a final table. I was the shortest stack of the three remaining players. I’m dealt pocket queens, which looks like a pretty good opportunity for a double up right? Naturally I was thrilled when my preflop all in was called. I was even more thrilled when the donk that called me showed 2-7 off suit. What the heck was he thinking? Well I found out.
The flop was 2-9-J the turn and river were 7’s. Yep, final table all in with complete garbage (2-7 off) and he hits a freekin FULL HOUSE!!! Why did he call my all in with that garbage if he didn’t know what cards were coming? Answer, he did know which is why I suspect he was a computerized player the site put in the tournament to win it. (which he eventually did when he sucked out the other remaining guy for all of his chips a few hands later on another ridiculous draw) I guess when their bots win tournaments, no one gets paid……but the site. It was a winner take all event.
Watching poker after dark on tv. There were a couple of suckouts, and the pros at the table, Annie Duke, Andy Bloch and Phil Gordon were all going “wow oh wow” at something I see on every hand online.
A3 beat A7, they were “oh my god” la de da. Bloch flopped a nut flush, Annie was just completely shocked when she saw the hand. You can tell Annie doesn’t play online much.
I tried to get back into it a bit recently, but I have the best hand every time, and I cant win anything anymore.
I’d love to sit in for a session with Annie or Phil online. I see pros on TV RE RAISE A-10, fucking try that online. You are kicked, or you get sucked out on. I see pros on TV slow play AA and WIN the fucking hand. Im sitting there saying you had better bet it or you will be in trouble.
Then they tell you, well, you didnt bet the turn thats why you got beat, no no no I got beat because online poker is fraudulent. Thats why I got beat.
Full Tilt, dude, that shithole is pathetic. I watched Tom Dwan play there, and you know all he does is bet and raise until the other guy folds. But the other guy never has anything???????????
I played a poker forum based game there once. First hand, JJ. Guy two seats to my left raised so I called. He bet the flop, and pushed the turn, with pocket fours. He needed a five on the river for the magical four card straight, and he hit it.
Usually when you get called post flop with 44 nothing, you slow down, not this guy, push his hand as a 95% dog, and win on the next card.
Scam.
Happened again last night. Holding pocket Q’s In the big blind, I throw out a 4x bet. Two guys call. The flop is Q, 6, 8 rainbow. It’s late in the tournament and I’ve got some ground to make up so I shove my remaining cards all in. (Three queens, pretty strong) One fold and one call. I know EXACTLY what this clown has and I was right 5-7off. So now he’s got four cards to a straight and he’s chasing with his tournament life on the line? He must have felt stupid when I flipped over my pair of QUEENS to show trips. I’m in really good shape right?
Well no. The turn is a 4 giving him the straight he was chasing and I’m out.
First of all, WHY is he calling a 4x preflop raise with 5-7off? Second how did he know that he could risk almost all of his chips on an open ended straight draw? (six cards) It’s sick and ridiculous that every night I take ridiculous bad beats like this.
High Pulse. Pocket tens. Big stack on my right pushes, I call. He has K-6. Six on flop, third six on river. Scam.
Next table, K-8, Im calling any shove here. Shove comes, from seat on my right. He has K-2, flops a two, Im out.
Only two hands I played. Huge advantage both races. The pros see they are dominated, K-8 against K-2, they get up out of their chairs because they KNOW they are going home. See this online, you prepare your chips to give them to the other player.
And the big stack suckouts at High Pulse are among the worst online. K-6 over 10-10 without hitting a king, this kind of nonsense is just part and parcel of the huge rig that online poker is.
They CANNOT survive without the fish. The ONLY time I can win a hand at High Pulse is when I am calling raises with shit hands. 7-10 vs QQ yeah I turn the straight of course…..
It’s funny the excuse is “you see a lot more hands per hour that is why you see more bad beats” I could buy that IF I was just seeing bad beats on the table every night, every tournament (usually more than once a tourney) But I’m the VICTIM of multiple bad beats every night. How is that possible? This weekend I’m going to keep track for a few hundred hands and see how many bad beats I take vs. how many times I’m the beneficiary of a lucky draw or miracle on the river. Logically speaking I should be dealing out as many bad beats as I am taking right? Stay tuned.
Score one for me. Final table, five players left. Holding Js-9s and seriously short stacked (4 of 5) I shove all in preflop. One caller, holding pocket K’s. After a K on the flop (Ks) I catch another spade on the turn and river to survive!. Eventually I was sent to the rail when the big stack, holding pocket 4’s hits quads on the flop….but that’s another story for another day.
The big stack hitting a big flop? Go figure. Curious to know what hand you held when he “flopped” quads. I use the term flop very loosely. Online it’s more of a manual placement of cards.
Kinda makes you wonder, does it?
Last night two players left on the Final table. I’m about a on third of the chipstack of the leader and in bad need of a double up.
I’m dealt pocket 4’s in the BB and when he calls, I check. The flop is 4-9-7. I’ve hit trips so I shove all in. Easy double up especially when he turns over 7-9 (two pair) The only way I can lose is if he catches a nine or seven. (giving him 7’s or 9’s full to my 4’s full) sure enough after a miss on the turn, the river card is a “7” and the tournament is over.
COME ON !!! ANY other card but a 7 or 9 on the river and I win. Give me a break.
Playing a 6$ sng the other night, 3 out, and I’m looking at the 2 big stacks getting amazing cards, calling and hit just about everything, so I do a search for their names. BOTH were playing 8 6$ sngs at the same time!! something was DEFINATLY up! I’m thinking these were definate bots. well I lost on a 2 outer and exited out of the UB program in frustration. Thinking about it now I should have watched them on some of the other tables to see what they were doing, plus, I’m thinking some of the other games had to have both of them, cause there’s only a new one starting every 10-15 minutes or so. and the guy who took me out was in 3 AND a ring game.
Honestly, I don’t know how anyone can play 6 or 8 games at the same time and maintain their focus on every hand (and win at every table) These “players” have to be computer generated. Now, I don’t know for sure they are “generated” by the site or by clever users but I don’t think for a second there aren’t brilliant minds out there capable of hacking and cheating poker sites.
The smart ones just have to be careful not to win too much to gain attention, but enough to make it worthwhile. I also firmly believe that there is colluding and multiple ID “users” operating along with “house shills” that are controlled (either live who can see all of the cards or computer generated) by the sites to liven things up a bit. It would be naïve to think otherwise.
Yeah, ub’s got my number. I can’t win there now. Last 10 or more tourneys I’ve been just slammed with bad beats. example: I get Pocket K’s. it’s the beginning of the tourney, so I smooth call, a couple other callers, and the big blind raises minimum. we all call. flop 267 rainbow. guy bets 100 I call, others fold, turn is a 10, he bets 200, I go all in. he insta calls, flips over 10 9 off. sitting good right? nope he rivers a 9 and im out. it’s just over and over, what seems like bad calls, and they all hit. guy goes on to win the sng. simply amazing.
last time I took a month off, and when I logged on again, I couldn’t be beat, won more than 2 of every 3 sngs I entered, then the bad beats slowly creep in till I’m where I am now, can’t even place in the last 10-15
onling poker is pathetic. it is so OBVIOUSLY rigged for “action” hands that I can’t even fathom how people can possibly defend it as legitimate.
I took an actual deck and dealt out 100 hands as if it were a 6 handed table, and only had 5 deals that had anywhere near 2 or 3 players getting amazing hands at the same time. on ub, it’s more like 75% of the deals have 2 or 3 (or more) players hitting just amazing hands, like 2 sets AND a str8 or better. it’s just amazing.
Just a quick one. I battled my way to the Final table, outlasted everyone but one player. He’s got about a 2 to 1 chipstack, I’m in the BB.
I’m dealt A-K off. Knowing what Full Tilt will do you me, I play it cautiously, only calling the blinds. (200/400) The flop is A-K-5. Wow, what a break. Now I have a chance to turn around the table. I shove all in. He calls. (I’m surprised) He flips over K-5. (two pair K’s and 5’s to my A’s and K’s) I can’t lose right? Sure enough, after a blank on the turn (I think it was a J) the river card is another 5. He makes his Full House (5’s over Kings) and I’m gone. Just like that. First hand heads up. Come on, are you serious?
Online poker is a total fraud and it is totally rigged. I found this message on another website which makes very interesting reading. To me it sums the whole thing up:
The Biggest Secret of Online Poker
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I am a Senior at the University of Washington with a major in Computer Science. For my Senior project I will be developing a computer program written in C++ that will emulate the algorithms used by the top online poker websites.
A close friend of mine who recently graduated with a PHD in Computer Science and undergrad in mathematics, is also a programmer, like me and a very good one at that. One of the best I have ever seen. He recently took a job at an online poker website (A very popular one) and worked on the advancement of “Statistical Algorithm Analysis” or so he was told.
Just recently he sent me an email and told me what he was doing and how this website is exploiting absolutley everybody that joins. And although he wasn’t certain he believes all poker websites have similar algorithms in place to assure maximum revenue.
Here are a list of some of the variables they use to categorize players:
// Variables (Individual)
double account; // Length of account in days
double bankroll; // Total bankroll at current time
double buyIn // Buy-in at current table
int reBuys // Total number of re-Buys at current table
int deposits; // Total number of deposits
string gameType; // Type of game, ex: 6-max cash, mtt/sng, etc.
string player; // Players screen name
bool su; // Super User account used primarily for pros
bool newPlayer // New players < 7 days since account was created
vector cards; // Whole cards, ex: [5d,3s]
// Variables (Poker Tracker 3 style)
double VPIP;
double PFR;
double AF;
double W$WSF;
double WtSD;
double W$SD;
double BB100;
double FlopAF
double TurnAF
double RiverAF;
double AttSB;
double CBet;
double BRiver;
double FSB;
double CallPFR;
double FFB;
double CC;
These are only about 30 variables, he said they employ over 200 variables per individual.
Basically, he explained to me that there are a couple of goals that will net the most profit for any online poker website.
1. Keep the most players playing as long as possible.
2. Rake the most profit as possible.
3. Spread the money around as evenly as possible.
4. Allow players with account < X days to win a higher percentage of time.
5. Prevent (sharks) from taking all of the money from (fish).
Although, this looks like a lot he told me this is just the tip of the ice burg. They hire PHDs in Computer Science, Software Engineering and Mathematics to design and anylize absolutley everything. What he saw was only a glimpse into the data they use for flop selection turn and river determination and who wins and who loses. All to keep you playing at the table longer.
Well… That's it for now let me know what you guys think and I will be back to share the progress on my program. But keep in mind, if a Senior in Computer Science can develop a program that accomplishes those
5 tasks above, then just imagine what a multimillion dollar company can do.
Two hands in a row vs chip leader, I flop the flush draw, dont finish, A5 next hand all in, chip leader calls with 2-4 hearts, and hits three running hearts to put me out.
High Pulse Poker, what a scam. Online poker, what a scam.
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HighPulse Game #26319486 – 2011/3/25 8:42
Running Game 26319486
Seat 0: uldavyd (615)
Seat 1: RiggedCards (2119)
Seat 2: csimpisz (3210)
Seat 3: tornada666 (1760)
Seat 4: guitar (8345)
Seat 5: zeljo10 (1690)
Posting ante 20
tornada666 posted Small Blind (100)
guitar posted Big Blind (200)
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
zeljo10 Folds
uldavyd Folds
RiggedCards Calls (200)
csimpisz Folds
tornada666 Folds
guitar Raises with 200 to 400
RiggedCards Calls (200)
*** FLOP *** [4s Ac 3s]
guitar Bets 200
RiggedCards Calls (200)
*** TURN *** [Ah]
guitar Bets 200
RiggedCards Calls (200)
*** RIVER *** [Qc]
guitar Bets 200
RiggedCards Raises with 200 to 400
guitar Raises with 200 to 600
RiggedCards Calls (200)
*** SHOW DOWN ***Qc
guitar wins pot (3020) with Two Pair, Aces and Queens
RiggedCards mucks
guitar shows [Ks Qh] Two Pair, Aces and Queens
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HighPulse Game #26319520 – 2011/3/25 8:42
Running Game 26319520
Seat 0: uldavyd (595)
Seat 1: RiggedCards (699)
Seat 2: csimpisz (3190)
Seat 3: tornada666 (1640)
Seat 4: guitar (9945)
Seat 5: zeljo10 (1670)
Posting ante 20
guitar posted Small Blind (100)
zeljo10 posted Big Blind (200)
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
uldavyd Folds
RiggedCards Raises All In with 479 to 679
csimpisz Folds
tornada666 Folds
guitar Calls (579)
zeljo10 Folds
*** FLOP *** [Js 4c 6h]
*** TURN *** [Ah]
*** RIVER *** [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***Qh
guitar wins pot (1678) with a Flush, Ace High
RiggedCards shows [Ad 5h] a Pair of Aces
guitar shows [2h 4h] a Flush, Ace High
More rigged chip leader bullshit from the ultra fixed High Pulse Poker. Chip leader calls two consecutive raises with K2, and the results are below. Trips on the river, and he puts me out with a flush on the river the very next hand.
Help me close these idiots down before they get started. These thieves must be destroyed. It is sickening these pricks are allowed to deal this shit.
DEPOSIT NOW AT HIGH PULSE POKER. YOU WILL ENJOY THE SCAM AS MUCH AS I DO. THEY WILL NOT SURVIVE I WILL SEE TO THAT.
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HighPulse Game #26408253 – 2011/3/26 8:35
Running Game 26408253
Seat 1: ICEMAN50 (205)
Seat 2: RiggedCards (3545)
Seat 3: andrean (6660)
Posting ante 15
ICEMAN50 posted Big Blind (100)
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
RiggedCards Folds
andrean Calls (100)
istvangyerek joining table
ICEMAN50 Raises All In with 90 to 190
andrean Calls (90)
*** FLOP *** [3c 2d Jc]
*** TURN *** [8c]
*** RIVER *** [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***2s
andrean wins pot (425) with Three of a Kind, Twos
ICEMAN50 shows [6h Ah] a Pair of Twos
andrean shows [Kd 2c] Three of a Kind, Twos
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HighPulse Game #26408267 – 2011/3/26 8:36
Running Game 26408267
Seat 2: RiggedCards (3530)
Seat 3: andrean (6880)
Seat 5: istvangyerek (1445)
Posting ante 15
andrean posted Small Blind (50)
RiggedCards posted Big Blind (100)
AffRIK joining table
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
andrean Calls (50)
RiggedCards Raises with 230 to 330
andrean Calls (230)
*** FLOP *** [8s 8h 9s]
RiggedCards Bets 345
andrean Raises All In with 6190 to 6535
RiggedCards Calls (2840) All In
Returning un-called amount 3350 to andrean
*** TURN *** [8c]
*** RIVER *** [6s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***6s
andrean wins pot (7060) with a Flush, King High
RiggedCards mucks
andrean shows [Ks 2s] a Flush, King High
How can we close them down when people suffer in the dark?
These sites control and destroy people’s minds. In reality, the players are unaware that they are pouring their hard-earned cash into the pockets of the owner scumbags. The victims dont have a choice as there is an illusion promoted by the poker industry that there is skill in the online game, and so the players keep on playing in the hope the cards will even out one day (variance). That day will never come as it is all RIGGED.
It is like working in a mine deep down in some godforsaken place – here is where the sites have you pouring all your money into their pockets, and nobody knows that you are being brainwashed and controlled. It is all hidden in the dark.
Here’s what happened to me today in a head’s up cash game:
I have 33 in small blind, I raise to $15, opponent re-raises to $45, I smooth call.
Flop is 344 (rainbow).
Pretty good, you might think. I’ve just flopped a full house with a pocket pair with one opponent. So what do I do?
I put in a pot-size bet, about $100. Opponent re-raises me. Great – I put him all in and we’re all set for a pot of about $900.
He shows 2 5 offsuit for a straight draw. So he needs an ace or a 6 for the straight, and even of he gets it he’s beaten by my full house.
Pretty good, you might think. How can I lose this one?
River comes 4, so we now have 3444 (rainbow). So I’m still way ahead, as I still have a full house, and he doesn’t even have a pair.
So, what comes on the river? What card is it? Yes – it’s a 5.
So we now have 34445. So his 2 5 offsuit now makes a better full house, and I’m done, and he wins a $900 pot.
What are the chances of this really happening with a deck of cards? Can anyone seriously tell me that this is fair? By the way, he’s a huge winner – $30000 in profit after 7000 hands.
THERE IS NO SKILL IN ONLINE POKER. THERE IS NOTHING RANDOM ABOUT ONLINE POKER. ONLINE POKER IS FUCKED UP.
But, and even the pros will tell you this, because they all get their cut, are you ready for it?????
THAT’S POKER!!!
Yes, that’s exactly it – “That’s poker” – the phrase they always use to get you back after you have lost to the system. You think – it must be a run of bad cards, very bad cards, incredibly bad cards, it can’t happen again, I have to win next time, my aces cant be cracked by a lower pair yet again, my set cant be sucked out on, my ace flush cant be up against another straight flush, my flopped full house has to survive this time…AND THEN THE SAME THINGS HAPPEN…and it’s the same sick story…and then…”that’s poker”
It’s like believing in a sick form of religion, or being controlled by some extremely devious fanatical sect.
Nobody can play as tight as you need to play to win online. You can’t avoid the beats because eventually they will deal you AA, and someone will push while you wait, turn over A6 and hit the third six on the river. And not just my hands, everyone at the table. The money goes in circles, as best as they can make it. Way to many dominated hands suck out. Not just mine, every bodies. Im a plus player saying it’s rigged. Ive given up on online poker.
I yesterday calculated the chance of my actual badbeatstreak with pokertracker handhistory – it came out with a chance of 1 in 460 Trillion and two weeks ago i had a 100 tournaments downswing with a chance of occuring of 1 in 3 Trillion
That’s very interesting, and I can well believe it. I was checking up on a player recently on Poker Edge and he/she/it has won $78000 in 3 weeks. No suckouts, no badbeats, just a stright red line of profit that goes steeply up. All draws come in, even flush draws against a made set. Then he/sh/it suddenly disappears, stops playing.
The evidence is there. No real player could get that. If he did, would he stop playing?
So what is going on? House players, bots or shills?
Last night I played High Pulse. Play poker, I would get rivered. Call all in twice with J8 VS JJ, and A3 vs AA and I won both. But if I hit my K on the turn, he hits his third six on the river. I have two very clear screenshots calling this poker room a scam,in the chat, as I am beating AA with A3, and getting rivered by a two outer.
I played Betmost, they have one free roll a week I enter. Every week, the same thing happens. I play, I watch,there are six sitouts at my table. This is maybe 7 hands in. The two players to my left are active. I get no playable hands until IM dealt QQ. All fold to me,I make a small raise because stupid me, I wan’t some action, right, on my left, we get the every present re raise, and to his left, we get the dump. I call and the guy on my left has 88, and the guy on his left has AA.
Six sitouts, one folded player, and the three seats that are active, AA, QQ, and 88.
So I wrote to the poker room asking what do I need to do to win a hand there, fold my QQ two on my left, at a four player, six sitout table?
Online poker is a money making ILLEGAL machine, that can’t be touched. There are NO other businesses that could take the public backlash online poker has taken, and come out still standing.
Man I just raised JJ into 66 and 85. Stupid me. Flop was 555. This was the first hand of the day for me. Six seat table. River was third six. Man, talk about freakin “unlucky”. This room just got its gaming license. So, so sad. Wow, my first hand of the day, the donk calls with 8-5, and flops quads, geez, that has happened to me hmmmm, yeah about ZERO times in 25 years of REAL poker. Odds of flopping quads with unpaired holes? 9,799.0 to 1. But it happened to me on my first hand of the day today online!!!! Who said it wasn’t exciting?
Which site was that???? Actually, after years of observing online poker. I believe they are all cspsble of scam deals like that, although perhaps in a more subtle way.
The only thing I wonder is – who are the winners? Are they house players who see all the cards, or robotic icons placed on the site by the owners and dealt preferential hands to bust people out so that they re-load? What do you think?
My opinion is that it is a combination of many things. As well as the above, the sites pre-select some winners so that the “industry” can boast that it is for real. They will be careful to maintain a number of these winning real plyers in every country to maintain the global profile of their site and the “game” (not really a game at all, as we all can see.) I read a blog by Jason Young (WSOP winner of several bracelets) the other day that suggested the notion of “hot IP addresses”. J Young had just lost $35000 in about 3 days and wasn’t happy – he commented on the absurd bad beats, and how he knew many B&M pros who couldn’t win a cent online. How was that possible, he asked?
If WSOP pros and winners can’t win, how can ordinary players hope to do so?????
How long do you think these criminal enterprises will hold out? I can’t see any way of stopping them. Every big sporting event or team now seems to have a poker or betting sponsor.
You cant stop them. Otherwise, they would have been destroyed by now. I just played my weekly Betmost Free Roll. First time in 3 weeks I played. There were 10 at the table, and 5 sitting out. I FLOPPED the NUT FLUSH third hand in. I was dealt AA ten hands in, and it saw KK and beat KK. I was then dealt AK suited ON THE BUTTON, folded around to me, with ONE ACTIVE on my left, whom had THE ONLY STACK THAT COULD HURT MY STACK. HE MAGICALLY HELD AA. OF COURSE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE MONEY ALL WENT IN POST FLOP, I FLOPPED THE K, RIGHT. THEN, WITH WHAT THESE STUPID CRIMINAL FUCKS LEFT ME WITH, I GOT K-10 CUTOFF, I DUMP, GUY ON MY LEFT, WHOM JUST JOINED THE GAME TWO OR THREE HANDS AGO, HAS QQ, AND AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE, I HIT THE TEN ON THE FLOP.
I TECH POKER IS A COMPLETE SCAM. ALL POKER ONLINE IS A SCAM. THEY LAUNDER YOUR MONEY AS IT SITS IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS. THEY ARE A COMPLETE AND TOTAL SCAM.
And the name of the room is High Pulse Poker. And tonight, I played 7-10 hearts, first hand I was dealt, to a puny 2x raise pre flop, I flopped a straight 8-9-J flop. Guy who raised goes all in. He turns over pocket fives. Keep in mind, this is my first hand in this poker room today. Turn J…..river, J. I lose.
HIGH PULSE POKER IS A SCAM. AS IS ALL ONLINE POKER.
Those are remarkable hands. That site is clearly even more blatant in its cheating than the ones I have seen. To think that people are losing hundreds of millions on these rigged games every day (and their lives are being ruined and destroyed in the process) is shocking and repugnant to anyone who can see the truth – and anyone can see it who knows something about the game and has his/he eyes open.
Online poker is a cancer which stalks the earth. The vast proceeds from it go on to financing organised crime of the vilest sort. It has been banned in several countries and it will be banned in others, especially if people contact and protest to the authorities. By the way, have you checked out cryptologicmafia.com? Well worth a look.
to “sucker” about flopping quads with unpaired hole cards…. I did it TWICE within 5 minutes on a UB ring game! Got the history to prove it. and BOTH times, the turn gave guys with pocket pairs what they THOUGHT was a higher boat…. IE 78 against JJ flop 777 turn J.
That was before UB flipped a switch on me and I since can’t win a hand. Rigged like a schooner!
Ub nothing surprises me. All of them. I don’t deposit anymore. That’s the ONLY way to beat them. Because no matter how good you are, they will get it ALL eventually.
Well, I guess since they’re under indictment and moved to a new country and won’t let US players get their cash out, they plan on just sucking it out of them. Seems like they’ve ramped up the bad beats on UB to ever higher levels.
6 seat sng. playing for an hour, down to 3, amazingly I’ve got more than 2/3 of the total chips. 1 guy going all in on my blind almost every pass. I got NOTHING to call with, so soon he’s got me out chipped. then I qet pocket queens. I’m thinking to my self “here we go, watch out” so this guy min raises, and I’m trying to trap, so I just call. Flop Q73 rainbow! top set! I check, he bets 2x min, so I pop him back same. boom! he goes all in! I insta call, cards flip, he’s got aces of course, and GUESS what the turn card is! yepper, 1 of his 2 outs!
GIMME A BREAK!!
And thats how the money goes round and round. You sit and wait to smoke some idiot and they set you up. Its unavoidable, just like you saw. Its one guy flops a monster, then gets fucked with the turn or runners. Or, they deal you AK suited on button, big blind holds AA, next hand they give you K-10, cutoff, you shove your miniscule stack, and guy on my left has QQ. Incidentally, even though Im only supposed to hit the flop 32% of the time, ANY CARD, BOTH the above times I flopped top pair. Not second pair, not third pair, not a draw, TOP PAIR. I won 800 bucks at one site, in 3 MTTS, took it out, 700 of it, and went on a 2 year losing streak.
Shit, I even have predictions from CD POKER, AA dealt to me as Im telling the table online poker is a donkey rigged scam. They said, NONSENSE. I was dealt AA at that very second. I raised and said NONSENSE right, ok, watch this. I raised, he RERAISED me all in, with his monster A-10, flop is 10-10-7.
sucker: rigged for the donkeys so much its almost laughable
sucker: keeps the money spread out
Dealer: Winner is Silli5001 $1.56
Dealer: Winner is Silli5001 $1.56
Dealer: dior76 is the dealer
Dealer: Starting a new hand (#632627469)
Dealer: Starting a new hand (#632627469)
Dealer: Dealing cards
Dealer: Your cards Ah Ac
lolziballz: nonsense
sucker: yeah watch this
Dealer: Dealing Flop
Ts 7s Th
Dealer: Dealing Turn
Ts 7s Th 6c
Dealer: Dealing River
Ts 7s Th 6c 6h
Dealer: Umbro1904 shows Full house
Ad Tc
Dealer: sucker shows Two Pair
Ah Ac
Dealer: Umbr4 wins with Full house
6h 6c Th Ts Tc $9.60
Dealer: Umbro4 wins with Full house
6h 6c Th Ts Tc $9.60
Silli5001: LOL
Dealer: Silli5001 is the dealer
Dealer: Starting a new hand (#6642)
Dealer: Starting a new hand (#7742)
sucker: voila
Dealer: Dealing cards
dior76: lol
Umbro1904: oh my god
Dealer: Your cards Th As
lolziballz: ahahaha
Silli5001: man, U RULE
lolziballz: best “watch this ever”
sucker: everyone email me
Silli5001: LOLOLOLOL
sucker: sucker@hotmail.com
sucker: please
lolziballz: that was brilliant
lolziballz: haha
Dealer: Dealing Flop
8c 2d 8s
sucker: god damned card rigging crooks
lolziballz: i had the other 10 aswell
Dealer: Winner is dior76 $3.18
Dealer: Winner is dior76 $3.18
Dealer: mrspiccart is the dealer
Dealer: Starting a new hand (#634)
Dealer: Starting a new hand (#624)
Dealer: Dealing cards
sucker: please all email me
Dealer: Your cards 8h Ac
I don’t need any million hands to know, I need the ONE above.
Betmost night. Forum freeroll. Was dealt KK, and AK twice in the first 20 minutes, even though there were only 4 active players. Raised AK, guy on my right calls, flop is 6D 4H 10C, he goes all in, I call, he has J7 clubs. I knew he had shit, but of course, in the random world of crooked online poker, his “luck” took over on the turn and he hit the jack.
Online poker is such a stupid, rigged, absolute scam. Finally they are getting theirs and I hope the crooked bastards get it good.
I have a question, or is this just me.
I also believe more and more that its rigged.
One thing, if you play 2 tables on the same time.
I get the exact same hands and flop but in different colours.
has anyone alos got this experience?
Pokerstars, fulltilt you name it
I like your post – it is a new way of describing the theories of how online poker could be rigged. The problem is that you only have anecdotal evidence, i.e. your observations. I am not saying that your observations are wrong, just that they aren’t enough to conclude that online poker is rigged from. We’ve done some tests at Online Poker Watchdog we have run some tests. We have some interesting results but we need to do more test to get a feel for the whole industry.
I have seen your ridiculous and flawed analysis at the so-called online poker watchdog in which you claim there is no evidence of rigging. Which site is paying you off? I know what your response will be to this question and I do not believe you and I would not trust you as far as I could throw mount everest.
Everybody with 2 brain cells or more who has played the game over any length of time knows that online poker is totally rigged. You clearly do not have this many brain cells, and the single cell you have is clearly BENT.
You do not consider the host provider which comes into operation after the RNG has chosen the cards and determines which player these cards are given to.
Your analysis also completely ignores the facts that : 1) some players can hack the server and see all the cards 2) there is predictive software that can see the flop before it happens 3) the sites are full of house players and shills who can see all he cards anyway 4) the sites are also full of bots 6)is is well known that superuser accounts are common 5)the software is often designed by criminal organisations (eg: cryptologic) 6) if you look at the evidence from Poker Edge you can see some “players” win thousands of hands without any losses or downswing -completely impossible.
The list goes on and on. GTH with your pathetic scam analysis.
Online poker is bent and dying and noone will be able to stop it.
Well I played everywhere and almost never had a winning week. Now I only play on high pulse poker here I am not unlucky any more, finally a poker room which is not rigged.
I don’t play real money games,but,all I’ve read above goes true for the phony cash games as well. I’d been playing at High Pulse for about 8 months winning “real” cash to be played when thier license got approved. The last 2 weeks befor they blocked US players,without notice I got 13 4 OF A KIND!!! Two in one game once!The guy to my left got one the next hand after my 2nd one-making 3 4 of a kind in one game that lasted less than an hour.Anyway,my overall winnings $403.00 which I’m blocked from as well.I’ve been playing cards most of my 52 years and have never gotten a 4 of a kind. I’ve been playing online poker about 5 years and began noticing(stopped denying) the cheating at Party Poker 4 years ago.It was so blatant and predictable.I ask my husband to come watch a few hands as I narroate axactly what was going to play.For the next hour we were “intertained” as I switched games,tables and the way I play-to an extreem- just to see how far thay’d go to suck folks in.I’d be delt great cards just to be beat by greater cards.I got As nearly every hand.6 times in a row once.lol.Once,the pot I’d won with 3 As 2 Qs was split with a player that had 3 Ks 2 As!!! 5 freaking As AND a lower hand! I sent emails of complaint with an immediate “unable to receive your email unless sent from the e address you registered with” response. I only had 3 addresses and sent two from each only to receive the same message. I hadnt played there since,until a week ago-for shits and giggles-cheaters still.I’ve 13 poker places downloaded and play at each one often and thay are all krooked. I don’t get how they benefit cheating phony cash players, tho?? Obviosly I’m no “pro”,but, I’m a good player and I DO know cards and wanted/needed to put my 2cents in about on line poker. Hmpff…its just become boring with this admittance…anyone for a fun,honest game of poker?
I have been reading all your comments with great interest. I recognize evrything, amazing and incredible flops to keep the money roling, mostly one-way: to the owners of the site. I used to play on PS, sometimes win a tournament but after winning I had to bring the double because of bad beats.
I have been reading a story lately about a guy that worked for PS. He was fired and went to a bar for a good drink. Later that evening he showed a movie recorded on his cell phon to another guy. That movie showed a room with a small group of players, all playing on PS. The same software as usual, except for one difference: those people always won! Ofcourse, this story can be a hoax, believe what is true or not. PS is on the isle of Man, for a certain reason. The law is PS-friendly there.
Good advise: make new accounts on a number of different pokerrooms, make a quick winning, cash out every penny and move on to the next site. Come back after two months or so and start all over. Perhaps this will help?